A Problem with Legacy Games – Or How I’m lonely.

Gloomhaven, Pandemic Legacy, Betrayl Legacy, Charterstone, First Martians. These are just a few in a long list of Legacy games which have been big hits since they first came onto the scene since 2015.

I’ve played a number of them and I really do enjoy the play style of them. As someone who loves campaign style play in TTRPGs, being able to bring that consistency and game style to TTBG’s as well is really fun and exciting! You get to sit at a table with your friends and explore not just a fun game session, but the evolution of a whole story arc that grows and changes as you play the games. It’s a really interesting concept and board game mechanic that I really love.

But what do you do if you do not play board games consistently with your “Legacy Group”? Do you stall the game until you can gather everyone together? Do you continue to play the Legacy game with whomever you can get around the table? Do you try and run a separate “campaign of the legacy game for those other groups? Does playing through the legacy game with your other group spoil the game plot and story for you or others with your other group?

These are all problems I’ve run into myself and I’m not sure how to combat them. Lets look at those questions in order.

1: What do you do if you don’t play board games consistently with your main or prime Legacy group?

This is probably the biggest issue for me with Legacy Games. My normal game group is one I found back in my old home state of Delaware. Until recently they were really the only people I gamed with on a regular basis. Twice a year my friends would come and visit me in the Mountains of Maryland and we’d play my copy of Pandemic Legacy. We were not very good at the game and probably only advanced a few months in. Difficult to get an level of consistency when we played twice a year! I also picked up a copy of Gloomhaven a few years ago, and we added that to our biannual Mountain Cons. It was very enjoyable and we had a blast learning the game but still, same problem. 

I was often wary of playing the games with others as I did not want to spoil any of the legacy components in our game nor spoil the plot for myself and my game friends. Which leads us into question 2!

2: Do you continue to play the legacy game with whomever you can get around the table?

As a traditional TTRPG gamer, this is a bit anathema to me.  Your campaign is the 5 people you start with. Yes you might have a person or two who drops out, but it is built around the gaming group you start with. Call me a traditionalist, but that is my opinion. It’s also probably why I’ve played a grand total of 3 legacy games about 15 times in total.

Conversely, these games take quiet a bit of commitment from your players. That commitment gets more and more difficult to maintain with careers, kids, and when you move 200 miles away. Play with whom you can! The missions themselves tend to be pretty self contained. You should be able to enjoy them as one shots when you can.

3: Do you run separate campaigns for your legacy games?

The legacy games as they are designed, are intended for a single play through. You tear up cards, write on your board, put permanent stickers down. The designers intended this to be a single play through game. That is tough to swallow when you are paying $150 for a game. 

On the other hand, Pandemic Legacy, one of the first of these style of games, offered a Red and Blue box that were exactly the same game but in different boxes so you could keep them separate and run separate campaigns. After market products are sold so that the stickers are removable or you track your changes on a different sheet. Perhaps this is a viable option for some?

It seems that both are good choices, for me, i still do not think i can do it. There are moments of reveals and “oh shit” moments in these games that I do not think would be as impactful on your second or third play through. You could meta-game your 2nd play through to take the optimal path for something that is to happen 5 sessions down the line. It’d be like running a published D&D module and knowing whats going to happen. Being able to Roleplay what is going to happen and keep it fresh and new is important to me.

4: Does playing through the legacy game with your other group spoil the game plot and story for you or others with your other group?

I sort of answered this one in the question above, but I’ll follow it up here. Yes. You will spoil your prime group play through by playing ahead with another group. Nothing more to say here.

So in conclusion, I think for me you need to pick your Legacy game group for a specific game, and ride or die that. In hindsight to my experience you need to choose wisely. Do not play a Legacy game with people you see twice a year. It is not fair to anyone in that group.

With that said, I think i need some new people to play Pandemic Legacy and Gloomhaven with. Shoot me an email if you are interested and live in the 301.

The Alpha Gamer (or How I learned to love Pandemic)

The Games:

An Interesting conversation came up in the BurningDanCon chat this evening (more to come on what BurningDanCon is later).

We were all cooing over H and N’s son O competing with his father over their Rule Lawyering of a specifc rule in Pandemic, (Specifically Outbreak expansion of one color/virus into a city with 3 cubes of another color/virus),

Rules Lawyer Senior and Rules Lawyer Junior
Rules Lawyer Senior and Rules Lawyer Junior

when I remembered an article i was reading about one of the biggest problems with with co-op games like Pandemic, Arkham Horror, Forbidden Island (which is a big hit with The Little gamer), Forbidden Desert, and to a lesser extent Shadows over Camelot.

The Alpha Gamer.

You should read the article in question here (https://www.kotaku.com.au/2017/02/games-i-will-never-play-again-pandemic/) for a nice reason on why these games can be problematic.

In short the problem comes with more experienced, assertive, and/or knowledgeable players who have (or think they have) a good strategy in mind for the game being played that they want to direct or quarterback the other plays to.

Usually it can be great in certain instances for one player to help coordinate the team (or players) to come together and form a cohesive strategy to defeat the game. This makes sense! How else can you win if your not all working to achieve one goal and solve the problems?!

The problem comes when it feels like the one player is directing everyone else’s plays at the table and there is not an equal level of participation around the table. I’ve certainly been in that position before (honestly only once i can remember, we’re all pretty Alpha at times), not wholly the fault of the other player (Hello Whiskey), but it can be incredibly frustrating when you are and it feels like you are just an extension of another player turn.

I just want to move my piece!

There is another possibility here to consider. Maybe the Alpha Gamer is just stepping up and into the role due to my love of whiskey and/or my shitty style of game play… I’ll admit I’m not a ponderer when we’re playing games and can get irritated if I’m waiting too long for my turn (5 + 6 player Lords of Waterdeep just kills me when it comes to downtime). I prefer to take my turn, make my move, with a little bit of consideration for sure, but certainly don’t want to hold up the game. I personally think this is an obvious positive character trait, but everyone else calls me an Agent of Chaos for reason and I’ve been blamed for our teams failures once or twice due to my lack of optimal usage of my characters special abilities. (See there’s a reason this blog is titled as it is.)

Reading a few other articles on this, it seems one of the ways that game designers have been trying to combat the “Alpha Gamer” is through the use of hidden mechanics, like the traitor in Shadows over Camelot, the hidden cylon in BSG, and the unique style of hand display in Hanabi. (I haven’t played either of the last two games there, but THATS WHAT THEY SAY!)

That being said, i do really enjoy Pandemic. While we’ve only won a few games of it around our table, we’ve always had a great time playing it.

We’ve also played a few “Months” of Pandemic Legacy Season 1, and have failed every single time. N just recently got Pandemic for his BDay so lets hope he’s practicing and getting some good strategies for our next go round.

Another variant of Pandemic that we have in the library is Pandemic: Reign of Cthuhu.

Me and my gaming Bro Dogs were originally brought together by work. Actually besides work we were originally brought together by playing the table top RPG Call of Cthuhu. So this alternatively themed version of Pandemic was a big hit with our gaming group. It also helped that we won on our first play through.

I also recently picked up a copy of The Captain is Dead, another Co-Op game in the same style and with many of the same mechanics as Pandemic. Thematically The Captain is Dead hits more buttons for me then Pandemic or even Pandemic Reign of Cthulhu. I’m more of a Sci-Fi guy, and a huge star trek fan. This game is basically an episode of the late 60s TV show, but with the captain dying instead. It even includes a “Red Shirt” character that is easy to kill but respawns (as another “Red Shirt”) on the next turn!

The Captain is Dead includes a count down deck, which tends to make bad things happen, and good team combos to boost and encourage assisting fellow players. I was drawn to it initially more for the nifty artwork. See below I think the box art is great not to mention the board and character models.

The Captain is Dead

It really brings out a  60s/70s era vibe, (which makes me think of an old video game with similar art style, Evil Genius.

Before i derail this post too much further, I’d like to just come back to the issue of the Alpha Gamer again before closing up. In reviews I’ve read of The Captain is Dead they mention the Alpha Gamer problem as well, so I’m curious to see how it plays out. One nice thing about the Alpha Gamer conundrum is that it allows games like this to be easily played solo, something that works well for me being out in Western Maryland and with 2 kids. Just play as 2 or 3 different characters and use the normal 3 player rules. Keeping track of the different hands is as easy as laying them down in rows so you don’t get confused. This is a strategy i picked up playing the Dresden Files Cooperative Card game from Evil Hat which i really enjoy.

For Pandemic in particular i think playing the rules as written with not exposing your hand really helps to mitigate the potential of someone becoming the Alpha Player. Yes you can talk about what cards you have but through that communication the possibility of cooperation and shared ideas really starts to shine through. I think most play throughs where I’ve run into this problem we’ve always played with our hands exposed, allowing someone to step in and really take over a game like they would if they were just running 3 or 4 characters at the same time.

For those of you out there how do you deal with Alpha Players? Are there some games you find are more susceptible to this phenomenon? Do you specifically avoid games to combat this? Let me know! Drop me an email or comment below!

The Beer:

Finally as part of my theme for my new blog my drink pairing for Pandemic.
A nice thing about an Alpha Gamer is he takes away all responsibility on you to contribute if you don’t want to! He’s kind of like your Designated Driver when you’re playing. So If that’s the route you are going, hit the hard stuff. Some whiskey, some run, maybe some shots of tequila. All are good ideas. From a beer perspective break out a double IPA and go to town. Living in Maryland I’ll recommend the Double Dog IPA from Flying Dog.

Now for me, I’d probably go with a nice mid range IPA. I’m really enjoying the Sweet Water IPA right now and if your on your first or second you probably have enough cognitive function to contribute. If the game gets out of hand or you got some slow play going on, kick into number three and let the Alpha take over.

If you are the alpha, stick with some diet coke, some bud light, or maybe a nice session beer like an All Day IPA from Founders. Good stuff.